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Cheers, Sam [Spade] 00:41, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

GDP Ranking of Poland: In the article GDP, Poland is listed on 24th position. You update it to 25th. Maybe you should update also rankings on GDP site.

Belarus[edit]

Just noticed you added GDP data on Belarus. And decided to say "hi". Are you also interested in Belarus' history? ;) rydel 15:18, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I like all countries of Central and Eastern Europe, so Belarus certainly fits that bill. Belarussian history is kinda harsh though, since its right there between Poland and Russia and so it has seen lots of wars. But then wars are what make history interresting. Katarzyna 01:51, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yes, we got a lot of sh&*t from Russian Empire (especially the 13-year war, 350 years ago, when 50% of ethnic Litvin-Belarusan population was killed). But why do you think having Poland as a neighbor is bad? I think Poland has been a good neighbor. And we were quite OK together in Rzecz Pospolita of the Two Nations. I guess apart from certain small incidents, for example, Polish Pilsudzki's policies (himself having Belarusian ethnicity, btw) or certain clashed between Armia Krajowa and Belarusans in WW2, otherwise the two neighbors were always good and nice to each other. Some people say that Polonization in our lands was bad, because people like Adam Mickiewicz and Tadeusz Kosciuszko and Radziwill's became to be viewed as Polish and that was the result of Polish cultural expansion. But I think that was the only way to go back then. At that point our GDL was essentially destroyed and you had two choices only: you could go under the Russian empire or build ties with the Polish crown and accept the Polish culture (which was not foriegn to them at all, but in fact very close to them). - rydel

Danzig/Gdansk[edit]

Katarzyna, don't be hard on Space Cadet. You just have jumped right into middle of war lasting for few years. The arguments you have provided were also quoted (by SC too, i think) many, many times, and finally, when we have something resembling compromise, you are trying to start it all anew, with arguments EVERYONE have read for at least dozen times. Szopen 07:36, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Szopen. Yeah, Kasiu, I was only being sarcastic and it just went over your head. Love from Los. Kosmonauta Pieszy przestrasza, tumani i śmieszy.

I guess I tend to be a hothead at times (and sarcasm is really hard to detect on here). I'll leave the Gdansk issue to you guys, just make sure those German nationalists don't succeed in posting their "historically German" propaganda on here as fact. Katarzyna 07:21, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)


Kasiu, nie zostawiaj nas, co my bez Ciebie poczniemy, nieszczęsne krasnale? Space Cadet 10:17, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No worries, I'm not leaving, just severly limiting my access. Not going to argue as much (on here), no point in it. Katarzyna 04:21, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Polish Air Forces[edit]

File:SPRP1.jpg

Are You sure that this are Polish helicopters? Polih army never used this type. Radomil 11:08, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It came off of their public website, under galeria->pokazy lotnicze.[1] I assume that their gallery has pictures of their planes/helicopters. Katarzyna 16:03, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm removing this from article Polish Air Forces. This are guests (lke this one [2]), I supose that from France or Italy. One thing I'm sure - those helicopters aren't Polish. Radomil 19:29, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

These are PZL SW-4 Helicopters. The tail fin construction, the rotary blade orientation, and the frontal aspect all look like PZL SW-4. But if the picture bothers you that much, I don't really care either way and wont add it. Katarzyna 21:05, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Polish army have only one SW-4 - it is in Airforce Academy in Dęblin. Also SW-4 is a little bit different. Fore me is not problm, but I know all of used types. Polish Kawaleria powietrzna ("air cavalery") use only PZL W-3 Sokół, Mi-2, Mi-8, Mi-17 and Mi-24. Other types in polish army are: Mi-14 and Bell 412 (only one - for goverment officials). So this picture was so strange to me that I decide to ask. I spupose that these are Aerospatiale Gazelle [3]

SW-4 - most visible difference - shape of nose
They are definitely Gazelle. Pibwl 22:04, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No worries, if its not their helicopters then no point in the pic being on the page. Katarzyna 23:27, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Polish army vs. wojsko[edit]

My first impression was - and still is - this needs to be merged. Could you tell me why did u split the PA article? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:29, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The term Wojsko can mean either Army or Military. But there is obviously a difference between the land forces and the military as a whole. I thought using Wojsko, similar to the German Army article being under Bundeswehr, and then having a seperate page specifically for the Polish Army, could help non-Polish speaking individuals in understanding the distinction. Merging the two makes it seem like Polish military structure has no seperate branches, but this is not true. Katarzyna 16:11, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I see the logic, however current problem is lack of material. I think that the article Polish Armed Forces (aka Wojsko Polskie) should be the main one, and Polish Army, Polish Navy and Polish Air Force could be its subarticles. In any case, contact User:Halibutt on this, I think he wrote most of the current articles in that section. You may want to coordinate this with WikiProject Polish Army as well. And please reply on my talk page, as I don't check yours that often :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:16, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Photos[edit]

Hi, what's the source and licence of Image:ORP Czernicki.jpg, Image:ORP Piorun.jpg, Image:ORP Rolnik.jpg? Pibwl 22:04, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

These images are all public domain, posted on the Polish Navy Website. Katarzyna 20:17, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Image:MW Marines.jpg[edit]

I would like to ask you where did you get this picture? I am 100% sure these soldiers are not polish marines proof - polish marines do not use M16 rifles, Alice backpacks, fritz kevlar helmets, and woodland camuflage. These might be NATO soldiers participating in joint exercises together with polish navy Mieciu K 23:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is straight off of the Polish Navy website, so I seriously doubt they would post pictures of soldiers that are not from the Polish Navy.

http://www.mw.mil.pl/index.php?akcja=galeriacwiczenia

check it yourself if you dont believe me. Katarzyna 15:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Maritime military history task force[edit]

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Chemical Weapons in Poland 1939[edit]

Hi!

As you seem to be knowledgable on the subject, I was wondering if you could point me towards some sources and/or literature dealing with the Jasło incident of September 8, 1939 when apparently mustard gas was used by Polish troops intentionally or accidentally against the advancing Germans. They - naturally - made a big fuss about it, but I haven't come across the Polish version of events. Maybe you know more.

Best regards --Dodo19 10:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, sorry but I don't know anything about the Jaslo incident, best I could do would be to google it, but then you can do the same :) sorry. Katarzyna 22:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks anyway! --Dodo19 15:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for your Poland-related contributions[edit]

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RFC/discussion of article World War II[edit]

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You claim to be removing biased text, but the text is sourced. Could you discuss this on the article's Talk page first? I don't know anything about the subject, so I'm not saying you're wrong. Woogee (talk) 08:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, I did discuss it in the discussion page, under History. I say it is biased because words are used such as "reunite" to describe conquests by Russia of Belarussian territory, when even in the cited sources the actual text is "acquired." Using the term reuinte makes it seem like these territories are somehow naturally Russian, which is biased wording. Katarzyna (talk) 08:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, thanks. Woogee (talk) 08:13, 24 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems that pani Kasia is calling names. Russian control of Belarusian territory she calls conquest, but she seems not to like the term "Western Belarus occupation by Poland". Maybe Kasia would provide any legal document from Belarusian People's Republic government or the government of Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic which asks Poland to occupy Western Belarus, or agrees to the occupation by Poland of these territories, or assigns these territories to Poland? The term "reunited" was used because Western Belarus was a part of Belarus, whether occupied by Russians or by Poles. I would like to learn more from pani on how the "reunite" gives any reason for her Polish mind to believe that Western Belarus is Russian. Occupation of the occupied territory? But Polish colleagues twisted so many things in their article Soviet invasion of Poland, that they finally ocasionally forgot (ommitted, deleted, whatever) that Poland itself gained this territory illegaly. It's equal crime. If you name Russian taking control of Western Belarus - occupation, then taking of Western Belarus by Poland is equally illegal.
Just to pay your attention, look between which parties Riga treaty was actually made. Riga treaty is a damn straight equvivalent of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Vlad fedorov (talk) 15:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wow, you have some deep down anger against Poland don't you? My "Polish brain"? I think you forgot to take your medication this morning, funny how you point out that other articles on here are lies too... well I guess the whole world must be a bunch of liars and only you know the true history? Get an education and then we can discuss history, it's not something you can just make up and hope people believe you. I'm not going to argue with someone like you on here, it would be beneath me. Katarzyna (talk) 12:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Czesc. You may have to consult Polonization article with section on Western Belarus. You may note that majority of sources cited there are neutral Western books taken from Google books project, which supports this version more than Polish one, especially considering that modern Belarusian sources are in line with them. Please assume good faith and stop your incivilties about education amd medication immediately, before I bring this to admin attention. My point is that you edit Belarus from Polish POV, which is not reasonable, since Belarusians view those issues differently. Please cool down your anger and come with reasonable proposals to discuss. Na razie. Vlad fedorov (talk) 04:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Czesc Vlad, I "keep editing the article" ? I last edited Belarus over a month ago, where have you been? "Stop your invicilities"? "Cool down my anger" ? What are you talking about? I have been quite civil, and my changes have always been neutral POV as opposed to the revisionist history that I have been trying to keep out. I just looked at the version that is up and although I don't agree with it 100% lets just leave it as is, ok? I haven't touched it for over a month so you can't say that I've been editing it. If you don't understand my edits that's fine, ask me for clarification, but don't insult me and don't try and scare me with admins. History is based on fact, when people try and rewrite it or change known facts its something that I cannot let stand. Look on the Russification page and how Russians have tried to rewrite Belarussian history, and eliminate the Belarussian language and people. That's what I'm trying to prevent... so if you claim to be trying to represent Belarussian people than we are working with the same goal. Trzymaj sie kolego Katarzyna (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am going to try and fix the article. As I said before, I am not from E. Europe but I wrote the article between 2005-2007. It needs an overhaul, so I hope for your help. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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